#125 Freedom, Fun, & Light-heartedness

Transcript of Interview

Find Your Voice, Change Your Life Podcast

Podcast Host: Dr. Doreen Downing

Free Guide to Fearless Speaking: Doreen7steps.com 

Episode #125 Crystal Deichert

“Freedom, Fun, & Light-heartedness”

(00:00) Doreen Downing: Hi, this is Dr. Doreen Downing. I’m psychologist and host of the Find Your Voice, Change Your Life podcast. What we get to do here, what my listeners get to have is an opportunity to listen to a conversation I have with guests. Guests who share a very unique story each time. 

You get to hear the struggle that they might have had in finding their own voice and not only the struggle, but the journey. I think that’s one of the things that reaches the listeners most is, “Hey, Yes, it does work.” You can start out in a place where it doesn’t feel comfortable or where you can’t be expressed, but there is a way.

My guests have found that way and not only have they found it and share their journey. They also have books and processes and workshops that you can learn about so that you can find a path to find your voice. 

Today, I get to welcome a new friend, and I’m going to say hello to Crystal Deichert. Hi, Crystal. I’m going to introduce you right now with some things that you sent me, because I think it’s actually poetic, and I love what you wrote, so now I’m going to read it. 

Riding the waves of life guided by her intuition, Crystal has carved out a life surrounded by sunshine and rainbows on Maui.

It hasn’t always been that way. Growing up a good Catholic from North Dakota, her authentic self wasn’t understood or appreciated, leaving her feeling stunted and silenced. And through her career as a licensed therapist and connecting with dolphin energy, a new path appeared that led to healing pain emotionally and physically and rediscovering herself and creating a new world to live in.

I want to mention one other thing that we will get to by the end, is a book. You wrote a book and I know that it had a lot to do with your journey, but creating a new world, a journey towards self-actualization. 

I think with my work as a therapist and your work as a therapist, that’s what we’re all about: helping people actualize who they really are. So, I’m excited. I’m excited today to get to have this conversation with you, Crystal. 

(02:43) Crystal Deichert: Doreen, I can’t thank you enough for inviting me to be on this podcast. Since learning about your podcast, and even just listening to your other guests’ stories. So, life changing. It is fabulous. Like you can hear and it’s like, “Oh, I can resonate with that part,” or “Oh Yes, I’ve experienced something like that before.”

So, I feel very honored and appreciative of you allowing me to be a guest on your show as well. 

(03:05) Doreen Downing: Oh, absolutely. Well, as you’ve said, you’ve listened to others, so you probably know as a psychologist, and you know the value of starting in early life. We’re all dropped here into a situation, and it sounds like you were dropped in North Dakota of all places, so let’s start there with your family. 

(03:31) Crystal Deichert: Yes, it’s funny. It’s such a love-hate relationship. I hate the snow. I hate the cold. But I do love the small town-ness of it and some of the values and things that I was able to learn. I did not realize until I got older and went on this journey and like spirituality, not just religion, but like spirituality within myself as well as how I interact with the world around me, I didn’t realize how much as a child, that was just the world I lived in. I didn’t realize other people didn’t live in that world too. I lived in my own little bubble. 

And so there are a lot of things where I would just be talking about stuff, and so many times that it was like, “Oh, here’s crystal. She’s talking again. Oh, she’s just talking.” I was always a talker. I love talking, but it was never received. I didn’t realize how much not being received by people started to make me silence myself. 

(04:25) Doreen Downing: That’s a terrific insight, and I hope people heard that. You may be natural at just expressing yourself and especially younger when there aren’t any mirrors around you, then the mirroring starts, and people start having attitudes or they say some things to you.

How did you know then that what you were saying was too much or—how did you know? Did people say something to you? 

(04:53) Crystal Deichert: Yes and no. I could have 1-on-1 conversations with people, and it would be really good. But in group settings, people just give you a look or the conversation would come to an end. At this point in my life, I’m very thankful for my brother.

He let me know a lot that I talked a lot, and I should stop talking, but we now joke around about it. I just gave a little speech at my grandma’s funeral. And afterwards, my brother looked at me and he’s like, “This is the 1st time in our lives that I haven’t wanted you to stop talking.”

And of course, he was joking with me, but it was like, “Oh, my gosh, I feel like I found my voice,” until I got that feedback. I just turned 40. So, to get that feedback at 40 of like, “Oh, people don’t want me to stop talking.” It was a whole new adventure. They do give feedback. 

Girls can be really mean when they’re younger, so a lot of the other girls around me, there’s a lot of things that came up. And also, as a therapist, finding your voice comes in stages. Each time, you reach this new insight of who you are, or how you want to exist in the world. Your voice has to come along with it.

(06:06) Doreen Downing: I love that visual. As we step into new arenas, I would imagine even going from grammar school and to high school and then into college and then into the work world and then into relationships. I’m not saying relationships are last of course, but I love what you just said about your voice has to catch up with you.

(06:32) Crystal Deichert: A lot of the healing I find myself doing is like, if it manifests into a physical sensation, most people feel it in their solar plexus or their upper stomach. I saw a thing recently that was talking about the chakras and it connected how like circularly, two of them are always connected, so if you heal one, you also have to heal the other. I was surprised because with the solar plexus, it’s attached to the throat which makes sense. Every time we find a deeper level of who we are in our self-worth, which we hold in our solar plexus, we also have to find a voice to be able to speak that and own it and stand in it.

So, meeting with you right now in this moment is like another level of my own growth on finding my own voice on my next phase too. So, it’s so surreal to be giving this talk as I’m in my own process of finding my own voice at this next juncture in life. 

(07:26) Doreen Downing: Oh, well, I have two thoughts right now. Part of me wants to follow up with exactly what you said, and the other is usually I like to stay a little back in the early history. But I feel just drawn to follow up with what you just said. This new you that feels like she’s catching up. Her voice is catching up with the healing. What comes up when I follow up on what you just said? 

(07:55) Crystal Deichert: Like what path are we going down now? It’s interesting because even writing the book on a side note, I thought it was very heartwarming that you pointed out the goal of self-actualization.

Like, we want to find ourselves and be able to stand as ourself. And so when I wrote the book, I was like, “Oh, this is me standing in it. This is me.” And since then, there’s been this whole new level of like, “Now that I know who I am, how do I get rid of all of the things that I’m not?”

That was when the mirroring of what was put on me really started to show and having to work through it and like, “Do I want to work through it? Who’s going to be mad at me?” 

(08:38) Doreen Downing: I love what you just said around the book in self-actualization and that finding yourself and coming to know yourself more deeply is when some other things pop up—the “not you”.

And it was interesting that you didn’t go through the “not you’s” to find you. You found you, and now that helps you face the “not you’s.” That’s what I heard. 

(09:08) Crystal Deichert: Oh, yes. Which at this point in my life as well, I talk about finding a voice. I’m working with a lot of older wise women and doing some projects with them.

And one thing I found is we talk about the cycles as therapists, but really in life, it’s layers. So, there were layers of what is not me that had to get removed in order for me to even write the book for that part of me to come forward. But as I stepped forward through that, it was only the first layer or the second layer.

It comes back around and it’s like, “All right, it’s time to stretch and grow again.” Here’s another layer of who you are or aren’t. And now, as I say, this is like me coming out and having my voice. It’s an opportunity to choose, with my voice: Who do I want to hear me? How do I want to be heard? How can I understand with my own voice? How am I projecting myself? 

And I think it ties into just layers, like my awareness now of how my words are perceived by others also helps me use my voice in a way where it can be heard. Understanding that if someone can’t hear me, it’s not because there’s something wrong with me. It just might be where they’re at. 

Disagreements. If people don’t agree with what I’m saying, oh my gosh, it used to devastate me like, “Oh, no, I disappointed.” It used to devastate me. But now it’s like, “Oh, this is just where they’re at on their journey. It doesn’t have to be tied into me.” I guess that’s my roundabout way of the layers of who I am not right how I can speak up and how I can just have more power in my voice.

Or I say in my voice, but I also want to note, there’s power in choosing not to speak. Just as someone asks you a question, you don’t have to respond. 

(10:57) Doreen Downing: Well, there’s so much wisdom coming for you in such a rapid fire way. I love it. I want to come back to some of the things that I’ve just heard you say, and this idea of expressing yourself in a way that you know you may get a reaction from somebody. In fact, I was just working with somebody yesterday who had some facial reconstruction, so she’s got some bruises on her face and she’s not wanting to go to this family event because she’s afraid she’s going to be judged.

What you’re saying has something to do with what we worked on yesterday is how to accept whatever it is that you are choosing for yourself in life, whether it’s something other people might judge—facial reconstruction—you then know your own reason, your own truth, and can stay in there and to have the centering, I guess you might say, and the stake in the ground and let others have their judgments.

It’s okay. They get to be who they are. I love what you just said about people who are at different places, so let them be at the place they happen to be and you get to be where you are. 

(12:26) Crystal Deichert: Yes. Oh, I love that. Great work. 

(12:29) Doreen Downing: So, with you then, how about some examples of maybe the “Yes,” and somebody being judgmental, or the “No,” where somebody asked a question that you just talked about saying “No, you don’t have to answer that.” 

(12:49) Crystal Deichert: So, many examples. The 1st thought that popped up was—I use the term. I’m a good Catholic from North Dakota. I was raised a good Catholic. I now feel like I’m a recovering Catholic because I have that Catholic guilt down. I’m good at it. But when writing the book, it was really me stepping into—I can’t just stay in the small-town mentality of how the world works, like the world is bigger to me. Spirituality is now a thing. I was connecting with dolphin energy and all of these things were coming up. Mind you, I’ve always been landlocked. So, to tell people about dolphin energy, my mom at one point was like, “Crystal Lynn, are you worshipping dolphins now?” I was like, “No, that’s not how energy works.” 

That was an example of if I’m trying to speak my truth and I have all these new and amazing things that are happening and my world is opening up and possibility and it’s free and it’s so, “Oh, I can do whatever.” And then the people I’m sharing this with are coming from a mindset of “I’m worshiping dolphins.” 

(13:49) Doreen Downing: Yes, I was talking about the judgment of others and the—I don’t mean to say narrow minded, but that’s what’s coming to me. Just that phrase, I guess. For people who aren’t watching you and only listening to you, you just did this wonderful spreading of your arms. Opening. And doing that felt like such an expression of acceptance of yourself, of people who make choices that others might be judgmental of. 

(14:22) Crystal Deichert: Yes. Thank you. Yes. Being able to open your arms like that. It is with me. I actually do a lot of work with people where we just pause for a minute, and we do that stretch. Like bring your arms, stretch them out and stretch them back. Just open up your chest and let yourself breathe. Let your heart breathe. I choose to live from my heart space, so my heart space makes most of my decisions. If that’s what’s going to tell my voice what’s coming out, you just got to nurture it and be free. 

And my mom, she’s come along. This was a while ago when we had this conversation. But also, just realizing the world that she lived in that she worked so hard to create. She’s finally living in her truth. Since she was a little girl, she wanted to hit all these accomplishments. She got her master’s degree even while being a mom and by working. My dad was supportive. I really appreciate her for so many things, because she paved the way for me to be able to be a strong, independent woman which I’m eternally grateful for, but what strong independent woman looks like to me, looks very different in her life.

And neither one of us is right nor wrong. But before that I would just choose not to talk about myself because the audience was not open to the same experience I was having. So, again, silencing my own self. 

(15:41) Doreen Downing: Yes. Well, I have a question from what you just shared there about your heart and opening your heart.

What would you say was—I know it’s a process. It’s not just like, “Boom,” a moment and a light switch. He turned on and say, “Hey, hello world. Here’s my heart.” But was there a moment or moments where you felt like your heart was—well, that you started to realize that the difference of who you are, and your energy is heart energy?

(16:14) Crystal Deichert: Yes. This is a lot of what my book was about. My book is completely just a journey about my experience. I think everyone’s experience is unique and special, which is another reason why I love your podcast because everybody gets a chance to share their story.

Throughout that journey, I noticed and that in my chest space, when I think of coming from my heart, or when I’ve noticed the space, it was tight. It’d be closed off. It’s almost like there’s a bunch of walls there. So, I think in pictures—definitely not words—so when I would think of what that space felt like, it was very much like a wall. And then it was like there’s protection here. It can’t open. But I remember the first time because…stop it. And it was like entering the ocean. Now, I’m free. I love water.

Obviously, I’m very connected with dolphins. I live in Maui. I’m so happy to not be landlocked anymore. So, I have a lot of water analogies, but it was really like just going through the floodgates. Those floodgates were opening and just flooding in. And the world was so big, and it was so free and it was so light and endless possibilities.

Then I came out of that meditation, and I was like, “Oh. that’s not where I live now,” I could feel the closed off-ness again. So, it was almost like they talk about gateway like I got a little snippet and I wanted more of it. And as I did that work and started on that work, the lady I was working with going through the process, I remember talking to her one day and she’s like, “How are you doing?”

“I’m freaking happy.” And she’s like, “Oh, is that a good thing?” I’m like, “No, this is terrible.” And she’s like, “I’m so confused. If you’re happy, why is this terrible? I don’t get it.” I’m like, “Because this is like a form of torture.” Now that I have experienced true happiness, I also realized how miserable I have been for so long.

To be able to voice that, to be able to say that to someone who didn’t judge me in return, she just let it be what it was, I feel like that was a very big change for me to know that happiness is a possibility. Even though I’m living in this other spot where I’m not happy, I can get through whatever those barriers are to happiness, to open up my heart space.

As the process goes on—I was coaching a high school basketball team at the time. And there’s just example, after example, after example, that when I would stop and check in with myself and open my heart and be in my own space and my own power, the outcome that would happen was—you can chalk it up as a coincidence, but it would happen over and over and over again.

There’s one basketball game we played in. It was in December. It was right before winter break and we were playing so terrible in the 1st half. It was just awful. I don’t know how many layups. It was just that we were not playing well. I was very frustrated as a coach. My assistant coach was very frustrated and we’re walking to the locker room and both of us just pause for a minute.

I feel like I have the greatest assistant coach in life. Like, this man was such a godsend. He was amazing. But before we walked in, it’s like, “All right. We need to focus on what we’re doing because no one is having fun right now. And that is not okay. That was our goal for the season. We are going to have fun.”

When we walked in the locker room, they’re all bickering at each other and just everybody’s cranky. And my whole halftime speech was how I was so upset because nobody was having fun. How can we be playing this game? And we really focused on that. How are we going to bring back the fun?

Anyway, long story short. I had an amazing team. They all ralled together. We’re like, “All right, win, lose, draw. We’re going to at least have fun because it’s our last game before break. Everybody’s stressed out with tests. Forget all that. This is our 20 minutes. We can go have fun.” We ended up winning that game.

And I had a parent from the other team email our athletic director and said, “I have two younger girls that were at that game, and I feel so honored to have been able to watch how much fun they had, and that sports is more than just winning or losing.” And it went to the athletic director. It radiates when you open up your space and you can bring in this freedom and this light-heartedness and let’s get back to having fun. It impacted everyone in that gym. 

(20:36) Doreen Downing: Yes. All right. So, freedom, light-heartedness, and fun. I love it. I’m going to take a brief break and we’ll get back and have some more fun, freedom, and light-heartedness together, Crystal.

(21:01) Doreen Downing: Hi, we’re back today with Crystal Deichert and this is amazing already. I hope if you haven’t heard yet and you’re just tuning in, go back because Crystal has amazing energy that lights up this room. I am offering today for listeners to get to know who she is and how she found her voice and that’s what we’re talking about today is an insight that Crystal shared earlier was about we grow and then our voice has to catch up with us.

In fact, Crystal admitted she’s in the middle of her own growth process and being on the podcast with me today is about voicing and catching up with her belief about actualization, life, and the power of lightheartedness, fun, enjoyment, and there’s a wall apparently that she’s identified that we can all relate to, around our heart. If we have wall energy, a tightness around our heart, then we have a clue that we are not connected to our true self. 

(22:17) Crystal Deichert: Noticing the wall is that connection. I always tell people it’s protection. The wall is not bad. It’s the need to protect yourself in one way, shape, or form because something hasn’t been safe or for some reason, it’s just not time. That wall is like, keeping it nice and tucked in and wherever it needs to be, so sometimes it’s letting it out by acceptance, sometimes it’s like working through the hurt, sometimes it’s—I moved across the world to Maui. I lived on an island for protection so that I can be me.

I have the ocean of distance to those that don’t understand me. So, that protection can look different for a lot of people, but really nurturing that wall or that tightness. It’s just like a check engine light of like, “Hey, there’s something here,” and you can choose to keep it, or you can choose to work through it and let it go.

(23:05) Doreen Downing: I’m so glad that you are valuing the way that we have come to protect ourselves and that it’s not something we’ve got to drop and then burst out of and be all we can be, that there’s value in the protection and honoring it. I like that attitude. 

Also, when I think about protecting myself, I have an example, just the other day, my go to protection is, “I don’t need you.” I pull back and I lived a lot of life by myself. I can do things by myself, and I don’t need you. My husband said that he wanted me to do more around cleaning up the kitchen because I sometimes leave a mess, I guess, on the counter and I don’t know, I just went to, “I’ll show you. I’ll clean up every square inch of this counter.”

I noticed it was several days that I went there and then, what actually ended up happening, Crystal, is that I realized I have been so busy. My life has gotten really, really busy and I have actually neglected him. So, it was amazing once I just broke through and felt the heart energy towards my husband, hugged him and said, “You’re not getting enough love from me, are you?”

It just felt like it softened everything. I love the idea of knowing ourselves so well and knowing our patterns and our protective spaces that we recognize it and we don’t stay there for long, and that there are alternatives that we’ve learned to have more heartfulness in our lives, and that means heartful relationships too. 

(25:01) Crystal Deichert: Yes, way to notice that. I love that. Because you’re having a reaction and then it was like, when you stop having the reaction and you notice what it was, well, then you just brought so much more love into everybody and awareness and it’s not just about cleaning the kitchen. It’s about the two of you and that connection. I love it. Thank you for sharing. 

(25:22) Doreen Downing: Yes, I know. It’s not about the dishes or the crumbs. I know it’s something deeper going on. So, that’s the good thing that I hope people will get at today to take with them that if there’s something that’s bothering them about another person, it’s not the thing itself. It’s usually an indication of something else. It’s probably an indication about love. Bottom line. So, something about not getting loved enough. 

(25:49) Crystal Deichert: Yes. Well, it’s funny you bring that up. I have a similar reaction with cleaning. If I’m cleaning the house and no one else is cleaning. Ooh, stay out of my way. So, mad. I find myself doing this thing where I get mad when I’m cleaning and nobody else is cleaning. Or if there’s a bunch of stuff that needs to be done and I’m like, you should do this. I get snippy, and like sitting with it and finding here’s where I’m using my voice to project my own stuff because the reality is, I’m not giving myself the time and love. I’m overwhelmed and I was avoiding my stuff. So, rather than me taking ownership of what I’m avoiding, I’m yelling at everyone else in the house for what they’re not doing. 

(26:27) Doreen Downing: Yes. Oh, we could go on and on with these examples of life and how we get stuck and how we break through. Well, I wish we had all day, but before we have to sign off here, I’d like you to say something more about your book. Is there something like tips or techniques or something the audience could take with them other than what you and I’ve been doing already. 

(26:54) Crystal Deichert: Yes. My biggest tip, my biggest takeaway is we don’t exist linearly. It’s not A plus B equals C. There are so many different things that come and factor in to where we’re at, how we got here, where we’re going. All these different things that really being able to understand that we are mind, body and spirit and finding the harmony between all of them is necessary if you want to live as your authentic self, if you want to live in a space where you can be who you want to be. 

I’ve said this to someone and they’re like, “Well, I’m happy right where I’m at.” Perfect. Then you have found the harmony between the 3 of those. Because you’re where you’re at. It’s when we start to notice that we’re complaining all the time and we don’t want to be complaining or we’re tired or we’re exhausted or there’s no spark. There’s nothing that’s exciting or it’s when we’re looking for more. If we’re looking for more, if there’s something that doesn’t feel right, know that there’s multiple parts to us. 

And in writing this book, like I say, it is my journey, but the people that have read it, I have clients who have read it and almost all of them find that they read until there’s a part where it brings up their blind spot. It was like, “I was reading this, and I couldn’t read your story anymore because my memories came up,” or “I started to feel this in my body,” or “I was really interested in this,” and that’s where I can meet them where they’re at. 

The book brings in a lot of different aspects. I talk about working with EMDR. I talk about with working with Reiki. I talk about working with inner child work, other inner parts work. I even, honestly, I have past life stuff. I was a good Catholic from North Dakota. I didn’t know past lives. I’d heard of it, but is this real? Is this not real? My very first dolphin attunement was—Oh, my gosh, it was the most traumatic thing I’ve been through in this lifetime, and it was from a past life.

To even see how past life stuff tied into problems and areas of growth that I’ve experienced in this lifetime, it’s not linear. A plus B does not equal C. Sometimes there’s a whole bunch of things and all the answers lie within. So, coming within is possible. 

There are ways. I always say if you go to a therapist and you feel like you’re teaching the therapist how to be a good therapist for you, it’s not the right therapist. Give me a call. I’ll help you see what you can’t see and then find somebody who can help you with that. But finding those blind spots and finding which part of us is really needing us at any moment on our journey, that’s the spot that we need to be. That’s where we need to find ourselves, find our voice, and find what we’re looking for. 

(29:37) Doreen Downing: That was pretty inspirational, wasn’t it? A lot of beautiful guidance there. But the whole idea of blind spotting—I put the “-ing” on it because it feels like that could be a thing that people could start to say, “Hey, I’m blind spotting right now.” They come to recognize that what they’re doing as a thing that keeps them from moving through and becoming more—you use the word earlier—aware. 

Before we go.. You people, again, who can’t see or only listening. I see the dolphin painting in the back. What would be something that you can give us about dolphin energy that we can take with us?

(30:33) Crystal Deichert: Dolphin energy. Oh, it’s so amazing. It’s so hard to put it in such few words because it’s just like a feeling. If anyone has ever seen dolphins in the wild, remember the feeling you got. You ever watched flipper, remember the feeling that you got. But dolphins definitely function in a higher frequency where it just is. There’s transparency. They live in pods. They can feel each other. So, if somebody’s having a bad day, it’s not a secret. The way they interact with each other with it not being a secret is so different than how we interact with people. When we know somebody’s having a bad day, it’s almost like, “Oh, stay away from them.”

But within dolphin energy, just being a part of it, it’s almost like getting immersed in this—the energy is very free. It’s joyful. Like there’s no stress. It just is. Whatever it is, it can be. You can do something with it. You can choose to stay with it. You can choose not to, but it’s very much just moving through the flow of life. And with that higher vibration, you don’t feel as heavy. You don’t feel stuck in all of the feelings, all of the muck. It’s almost like you can rinse that off when you’re immersed in this dolphin energy and things just become clear things. That didn’t make sense before now might make sense or things that were so important now become not important.

I don’t know. It flows through me after completing all of the attunements. It flows through me, and so even when we started, you’re like, “Oh, we’re already playing.” This is how I live my life now. It’s just more play and it doesn’t mean bad things don’t happen. It doesn’t mean hardships don’t happen. But they’re just not as heavy. I don’t get stuck in them and things just flow and move. You are always moving. You can flow. You can bring in something new. You can honor the lesson learned and you can just keep going. 

It’s very contagious. So, contagious. I used to do dolphin energy healings at different spiritual fairs when I was first getting into this and by the end of the day, I was like, I have to go home because my stomach hurts so bad from laughing. I just can’t stop laughing because you connect with people. They come in and they’ll start crying because they have this big heavy thing. 

All I do is connect them with this frequency. All of the work that they need happens within themselves. And then they come back and they’re like, “Well, that was quite an adventure, wasn’t it?” And they’re laughing and crying. I’m like, “We did such a great job.” And then we’re both laughing. I don’t know how to explain it, except for it would just happen person after person after person after person.

Being in those higher vibrations, there’s actually scientists that have studied DNA, who have proven that with light healings, and different energy work, and being exposed to the higher vibrations, the higher frequencies, it actually physically changes our DNA. If this was at this size, is that 10, now it’s at a hundred.

Not just does it grow exponentially, but it will create new categories that didn’t exist before the healing. So, you can imagine by immersing yourself and doing energy work, connecting with your body, bringing in some different frequencies stepping outside the box, now you’re creating a new world because you’re bringing in things that didn’t exist in your DNA before. They never existed before, and now here you’re bringing them into your world. 

Oh my gosh. I could go on for law of attraction and manifestation and all of these things. That’s how I ended up here in Maui, but that’s a story for another day, for sure. 

(33:56) Doreen Downing: Well, you are truly amazing. The sense of dolphin energy being light, lightness, and fun. A word that, as I was listening to you, I felt towards myself and what I want people to get is that it felt like acceptance and that acceptance is permission to be, permission to be who you are. 

I love this other thing that you’re talking about. The movement of flow and finding the flow. And to me that relates to voice also. The voice can flow if we are in this particular kind of truth of who we are and express it. So, thank you so much for all this wonderful, bright, beautiful energy today.

(34:51) Crystal Deichert: Thank you. Thank you again for what you do and for creating such a great space for people to use their voice, to find their voice. Appreciate you. 

(34:59) Doreen Downing: Fabulous. Thank you.